DmC: Devil May Cry | Hype Thread | 8.0 (360) 7.5 (PS3) | Out Today On PC!

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#151 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="Sphire"]

Eurogamer review out: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-14-dmc-devil-may-cry-review

Score: [spoiler] 8/10. With some decent comments. [/spoiler]

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They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.

Euro, UK, NT.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Sphire"]

Eurogamer review out: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-14-dmc-devil-may-cry-review

Score: [spoiler] 8/10. With some decent comments. [/spoiler]

rjdofu
They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.

Euro, UK, NT.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.
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#154 Razor_defiace
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[QUOTE="Blabadon"][QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

Yes, it's horrible.

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Well f*ck. Maybe I should add a warning in the OP

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

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#155 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Well f*ck. Maybe I should add a warning in the OPRazor_defiace

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Devil Trigger > Demon dodge > Demon weapon = boss die in 10 secs.
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That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Razor_defiace

Damn.

I was on the fence to purchase this game, but this sounds awful.

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#157 jg4xchamp
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I might rent it. On one hand I'd want the 60 frames on my PC, on the other hand I'm not one to insult my PC with a ninja theory game. They are 0-2 for me at this point.
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#158 GD1551
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[QUOTE="Sphire"]

Eurogamer review out: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-14-dmc-devil-may-cry-review

Score: [spoiler] 8/10. With some decent comments. [/spoiler]

DarkLink77

They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.

They also praised bayonetta's and DMC4's combat system, guess they are wrong about that to?

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#159 finalfantasy94
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im not the one for loving the taste of angry people but the reaction these scores are getting are so dang tasty. Especially when you run into those who say all the reviews out there are paid off. Though in all seriousness im happy to see the game is being recevied well. I will get it down the line.

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[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.DarkLink77
Euro, UK, NT.

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Heh, even the GS reviewer is UK based.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Well f*ck. Maybe I should add a warning in the OPRazor_defiace

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

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#162 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Sphire"]

Eurogamer review out: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-14-dmc-devil-may-cry-review

Score: [spoiler] 8/10. With some decent comments. [/spoiler]

GD1551

They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.

They also praised bayonetta's and DMC4's combat system, guess they are wrong about that to?

They're wrong about this one, that's the only thing I need to know.
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#164 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

BPoole96

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

going by his previous post I highly doubt he owns it and only is going by demo/vids.

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#165 GD1551
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They're wrong about this one, that's the only thing I need to know.rjdofu

I haven't played the game outside a demo so I'm not crying yet.

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#166 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

BPoole96

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.
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#167 rjdofu
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For the haters

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Nice blank image.
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Sphire"]

Eurogamer review out: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-01-14-dmc-devil-may-cry-review

Score: [spoiler] 8/10. With some decent comments. [/spoiler]

GD1551

They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.

They also praised bayonetta's and DMC4's combat system, guess they are wrong about that to?

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic. Not to mention different reviewers.
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#169 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

rjdofu

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

For the haters

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rjdofu
Nice blank image.

??? It's displaying for me
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#171 Razor_defiace
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Devil Trigger > Demon dodge > Demon weapon = boss die in 10 secs.rjdofu

Yeah it's pretty BS. But bosses are crap easy even on the highest difficulty. GOW clones have better and more challenging boss fights at this point compared to DmC.

DmC DT is pretty crap compared to the other DT iterations. It doesn't really add anything apart from making all enemies float, giving you a damage boost and health regen. Its animation is also horrendous to watch every single time, it also gets knocked out by cutscenes-- of which there's a huge abundance in-between fighting and after. The color filter and sound distortions don't really help it either. It's the Splatterhouse rage mode with float really

Anyway it getting AA is no surprise. Heavenly Sword and Enslaved both got that score, even though they were really not worthy of that score either.

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#172 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

BPoole96

The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

Yeah and in retrospect as rock solid as DMC4s battle system was, the actual game around the battle system was probably Capcom's weakest. It was borderline NG2 territory where the combat was working overtime for the rest of the game.

And judging by how Eurogamer/gamespot/and a few others reacted to it the combat is still rock solid(questionable how it stands up against other games in the genre), but the stuff surrounding the battle system might not be half bad. The level design and enemies should be fun enough, albeit not in the same ways DMC 3 and 4(on higher difficulties) were.

Personally it's disappointing to hear the boss fights suck, and that my general experience with the combat is that it feels like a gimped version of the older DMC games mechanically.

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#173 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?

BPoole96

The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

Fair enough, if you like it then good for you. I think that for a series that focus mostly on combat (Darksiders games aren't), DmC isn't up to par; and I'll definitely not happy if this is the direction of the franchise from now on.
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8.9 from IGN

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#175 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.jg4xchamp

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

Yeah and in retrospect as rock solid as DMC4s battle system was, the actual game around the battle system was probably Capcom's weakest. It was borderline NG2 territory where the combat was working overtime for the rest of the game.

And judging by how Eurogamer/gamespot/and a few others reacted to it the combat is still rock solid(questionable how it stands up against other games in the genre), but the stuff surrounding the battle system might not be half bad. The level design and enemies should be fun enough, albeit not in the same ways DMC 3 and 4(on higher difficulties) were.

Personally it's disappointing to hear the boss fights suck, and that my general experience with the combat is that it feels like a gimped version of the older DMC games mechanically.

I am bummed about the boss fights as well. DMC has had some awesome boss fights (Nelo Angelo in DMC, Beowulf and Virgil in DMC3, Credo in DMC4 to name some of my favorites). I bought the PC version so when that releases in like two weeks I'll be able to give it proper judgement. Even judging by the GS review, I can tell Mark Walton is not an experience DMC player. Once I get all the combos down and perfect jump cancelling again I'll be able to see how it holds up to previous DMCs.

Hack and slash games are slim pickins these days as it is so I am at least relieved that the game doesn't appear to absolutely suck the way Ninja Gaiden 3 did.

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#176 finalfantasy94
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So far the lowest score iv seen was 3/5 from adam sessler. He doesint care much for the game diolog/story and the later levels arent as good as the begging. He seem to enjoy everything els though most importantly the combat.

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#177 Razor_defiace
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[QUOTE="Razor_defiace"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

It is a DMC game though. I don't think anyone is buying it for the story. I have put hundreds of hours in the previous games and couldn't tell you anything about the story in any of them.

BPoole96

That's the whole problem with the game. As a DMC game it's awfully dumbed down and not challenging. You can't really compare it to the other DMC games, because the gameplay is fundamentally different.

The battle system is a combination of Heavenly Sword and DMC3/4, without styles and lock on. Dante in this game also has less moves compared to DMC3 and 4 Dante. Oh and the Devil Trigger is a complete abomination, don't even bother clearing DMD to get the unlimited Dante.

Everybody knew the gameplay would be ass compared to previous DMC games. The story was the only aspect going for it... and it's just unlikable, disappointing. Oh and don't get me started on the dubstep boss fights and the lame "Tron" stage

Do you already own the game or is this based solely off of the demo or videos you've seen online?


My friend got it before official release date. I dunno how, but I played with him through the game. I was planning to get from steam once its price dropped though (now I don't have to do that anymore).

Also the main gameplay didn't really change from the demo. Although admittedly the demo had more issues than the final product (different build my guess)

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#178 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] They praised the combat system. Eurogamer is full of casuals who wouldn't know good combat if it cockslapped them confirmed.jg4xchamp

They also praised bayonetta's and DMC4's combat system, guess they are wrong about that to?

Pretty sure he's being sarcastic. Not to mention different reviewers.

From his other posts in the DMC related threads, I'd have a hard time believing he was being sarcastic.

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#179 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] The final product core gameplay is completely different from the demo? :o I didn't know that.rjdofu

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

Fair enough, if you like it then good for you. I think that for a series that focus mostly on combat (Darksiders games aren't), DmC isn't up to par; and I'll definitely not happy if this is the direction of the franchise from now on.

Are you planning on buying it at all or have you just completely dismissed the series?
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#180 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

BPoole96

Yeah and in retrospect as rock solid as DMC4s battle system was, the actual game around the battle system was probably Capcom's weakest. It was borderline NG2 territory where the combat was working overtime for the rest of the game.

And judging by how Eurogamer/gamespot/and a few others reacted to it the combat is still rock solid(questionable how it stands up against other games in the genre), but the stuff surrounding the battle system might not be half bad. The level design and enemies should be fun enough, albeit not in the same ways DMC 3 and 4(on higher difficulties) were.

Personally it's disappointing to hear the boss fights suck, and that my general experience with the combat is that it feels like a gimped version of the older DMC games mechanically.

I am bummed about the boss fights as well. DMC has had some awesome boss fights (Nelo Angelo in DMC, Beowulf and Virgil in DMC3, Credo in DMC4 to name some of my favorites). I bought the PC version so when that releases in like two weeks I'll be able to give it proper judgement. Even judging by the GS review, I can tell Mark Walton is not an experience DMC player. Once I get all the combos down and perfect jump cancelling again I'll be able to see how it holds up to previous DMCs.

Hack and slash games are slim pickins these days as it is so I am at least relieved that the game doesn't appear to absolutely suck the way Ninja Gaiden 3 did.

Yea i agree in the disapointment of the boss fights.

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Haters gon hate but DmC is great
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#182 BPoole96
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So far the lowest score iv seen was 3/5 from adam sessler. He doesint care much for the game diolog/story and the later levels arent as good as the begging. He seem to enjoy everything els though most importantly the combat.

finalfantasy94

Combat is really all I care about so I'm glad to hear it isn't a complete letdown (at least from reviewers, whom I doubt have anything above average skills level at hack and slash games)

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#183 GD1551
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Additionally - "The PC version of DmC won't launch until later in January, but the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions contain identical content. Though it should be noted, with a certain severity, that the 360 version is clearly superior in this pair. Its PS3 counterpart struggles to keep a steady framerate which is sadly characteristic of PS3 games running on the Unreal Engine." - IGN

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#184 BPoole96
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Additionally - "The PC version of DmC won't launch until later in January, but the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions contain identical content. Though it should be noted, with a certain severity, that the 360 version is clearly superior in this pair. Its PS3 counterpart struggles to keep a steady framerate which is sadly characteristic of PS3 games running on the Unreal Engine." - IGN

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Ouch, sucks for PS3 players. Glad I have access to the 60fps version

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#185 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

BPoole96
Fair enough, if you like it then good for you. I think that for a series that focus mostly on combat (Darksiders games aren't), DmC isn't up to par; and I'll definitely not happy if this is the direction of the franchise from now on.

Are you planning on buying it at all or have you just completely dismissed the series?

Basing on what I've seen so far, no. However, I'll wait for some combo videos & more opinions about this game, then I'll buy it on PC when it's dirt cheap; NT is the last developer I want to support.
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#186 finalfantasy94
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Additionally - "The PC version of DmC won't launch until later in January, but the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions contain identical content. Though it should be noted, with a certain severity, that the 360 version is clearly superior in this pair. Its PS3 counterpart struggles to keep a steady framerate which is sadly characteristic of PS3 games running on the Unreal Engine." - IGN

GD1551

I hear from others who played it thats mainly in the cutscenes and not gameplay wise. Heck even the comperision ign uses in the vid review is of a cutscene.

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#187 Obviously_Right
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Additionally - "The PC version of DmC won't launch until later in January, but the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions contain identical content. Though it should be noted, with a certain severity, that the 360 version is clearly superior in this pair. Its PS3 counterpart struggles to keep a steady framerate which is sadly characteristic of PS3 games running on the Unreal Engine." - IGN

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What a joke, if that's the case the PS3 version should be cheaper to compensate for their incompetence/laziness.

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#188 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

The demo only had a like 2 different enemies to fight and was only one level outside of the boss fight (which was terrible). I'm trying to stay unbiased as possible when I play it in a few weeks. Many of the decisions NT made were obviously poor as far as changes to the combat, but I didn't think the combat in the demo was that bad. I just palyed through Darksiders 2 (which I really enjoyed), and based on what I've seen I'd say DMC has more combat depth than that. Obviously it's not going to touch DMC3, Bayo, or NG, but I think I will still like it.

BPoole96

Yeah and in retrospect as rock solid as DMC4s battle system was, the actual game around the battle system was probably Capcom's weakest. It was borderline NG2 territory where the combat was working overtime for the rest of the game.

And judging by how Eurogamer/gamespot/and a few others reacted to it the combat is still rock solid(questionable how it stands up against other games in the genre), but the stuff surrounding the battle system might not be half bad. The level design and enemies should be fun enough, albeit not in the same ways DMC 3 and 4(on higher difficulties) were.

Personally it's disappointing to hear the boss fights suck, and that my general experience with the combat is that it feels like a gimped version of the older DMC games mechanically.

I am bummed about the boss fights as well. DMC has had some awesome boss fights (Nelo Angelo in DMC, Beowulf and Virgil in DMC3, Credo in DMC4 to name some of my favorites). I bought the PC version so when that releases in like two weeks I'll be able to give it proper judgement. Even judging by the GS review, I can tell Mark Walton is not an experience DMC player. Once I get all the combos down and perfect jump cancelling again I'll be able to see how it holds up to previous DMCs.

Hack and slash games are slim pickins these days as it is so I am at least relieved that the game doesn't appear to absolutely suck the way Ninja Gaiden 3 did.

This is true. It's not Ninja Gaiden 3 territory. It's not Resident Evil 6 territory. And who knows how Bayonetta 2 ends up without Kamiya. Does Platinum actually take it to another level or do they essentially rehash it. Itagaki's next game is in limbo. And I haven't seen any other japanese dev take another shot at this type of genre.

Shame considering how much I love it. Oh well at the least now Ninja Theory might have a better handle on gameplay. I usually like the presentation side of their games. It's usually the game part that sucks.

On the plus side Reveangence has started looking less janky lately. Or maybe I just like the idea that I get to whip some ass as Grayfox.

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#189 BPoole96
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[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] Yeah and in retrospect as rock solid as DMC4s battle system was, the actual game around the battle system was probably Capcom's weakest. It was borderline NG2 territory where the combat was working overtime for the rest of the game.

And judging by how Eurogamer/gamespot/and a few others reacted to it the combat is still rock solid(questionable how it stands up against other games in the genre), but the stuff surrounding the battle system might not be half bad. The level design and enemies should be fun enough, albeit not in the same ways DMC 3 and 4(on higher difficulties) were.

Personally it's disappointing to hear the boss fights suck, and that my general experience with the combat is that it feels like a gimped version of the older DMC games mechanically.

jg4xchamp

I am bummed about the boss fights as well. DMC has had some awesome boss fights (Nelo Angelo in DMC, Beowulf and Virgil in DMC3, Credo in DMC4 to name some of my favorites). I bought the PC version so when that releases in like two weeks I'll be able to give it proper judgement. Even judging by the GS review, I can tell Mark Walton is not an experience DMC player. Once I get all the combos down and perfect jump cancelling again I'll be able to see how it holds up to previous DMCs.

Hack and slash games are slim pickins these days as it is so I am at least relieved that the game doesn't appear to absolutely suck the way Ninja Gaiden 3 did.

This is true. It's not Ninja Gaiden 3 territory. It's not Resident Evil 6 territory. And who knows how Bayonetta 2 ends up without Kamiya. Does Platinum actually take it to another level or do they essentially rehash it. Itagaki's next game is in limbo. And I haven't seen any other japanese dev take another shot at this type of genre.

Shame considering how much I love it. Oh well at the least now Ninja Theory might have a better handle on gameplay. I usually like the presentation side of their games. It's usually the game part that sucks.

On the plus side Reveangence has started looking less janky lately. Or maybe I just like the idea that I get to whip some ass as Grayfox.

Totally forgot about Revengence. That looks like it will be pretty good as well. This year actually isn't too bad for hack and slash considering we have DMC, MGR, God of War Ascension, and the possibly Bayo 2.

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#190 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

I am bummed about the boss fights as well. DMC has had some awesome boss fights (Nelo Angelo in DMC, Beowulf and Virgil in DMC3, Credo in DMC4 to name some of my favorites). I bought the PC version so when that releases in like two weeks I'll be able to give it proper judgement. Even judging by the GS review, I can tell Mark Walton is not an experience DMC player. Once I get all the combos down and perfect jump cancelling again I'll be able to see how it holds up to previous DMCs.

Hack and slash games are slim pickins these days as it is so I am at least relieved that the game doesn't appear to absolutely suck the way Ninja Gaiden 3 did.

BPoole96

This is true. It's not Ninja Gaiden 3 territory. It's not Resident Evil 6 territory. And who knows how Bayonetta 2 ends up without Kamiya. Does Platinum actually take it to another level or do they essentially rehash it. Itagaki's next game is in limbo. And I haven't seen any other japanese dev take another shot at this type of genre.

Shame considering how much I love it. Oh well at the least now Ninja Theory might have a better handle on gameplay. I usually like the presentation side of their games. It's usually the game part that sucks.

On the plus side Reveangence has started looking less janky lately. Or maybe I just like the idea that I get to whip some ass as Grayfox.

Totally forgot about Revengence. That looks like it will be pretty good as well. This year actually isn't too bad for hack and slash considering we have DMC, MGR, God of War Ascension, and the possibly Bayo 2.

I played the demo for MGR and i must say its pretty dang cool. DMC and that will defently become part of my collection eventually.

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"DmC has a sense of restraint and maturity" when it comes to storytelling apparently.

I'm not sure how serious we should take this review. I noticed he didn't say anything about the low-budget, generic voice acting either. If this game's story is great, then Diablo 3 is a bastion of video game story telling. :|

I wonder if leaving out how terrible the ending is was intentional.

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#192 finalfantasy94
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"DmC has a sense of restraint and maturity" when it comes to storytelling apparently.

I'm not sure how serious we should take this review. I noticed he didn't say anything about the low-budget, generic voice acting either. If this game's story is great, then Diablo 3 is a bastion of video game story telling. :|

I wonder if leaving out how terrible the ending is was intentional.

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no. They said the story peters out at the end and with a twist 50 miles away.They arent going to explain the ending in full detail cause ya know spoilers. Also I dont see whats bad about the voice work in dmc. It seems fine to me.

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#193 Sagem28
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How bad an ending are we talking here ?
Mass Effect 3 levels of bad ?

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler ?

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#194 ChubbyGuy40
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no. They said the story peters out at the end and with a twist 50 miles away.They arent going to explain the ending in full detail cause ya know spoilers.

Also I dont see whats bad about the voice work in dmc. It seems fine to me.

finalfantasy94

Must've missed that then. I still disagree with the storytelling shtick, because it's something SNIPER would've wrote. I don't understand how one could call that mature but call the originals B-rated,adolescent fantasies.

Besides the fact that it sounds like every B-rated movie with a bunch of teenage amateurs ever?

How bad an ending are we talking here ?
Mass Effect 3 levels of bad ?

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler ?

Sagem28

Yes

[spoiler] here [/spoiler]

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#195 finalfantasy94
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How bad an ending are we talking here ?
Mass Effect 3 levels of bad ?

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler ?

Sagem28

I refuse to believe anything is on the level of ME3 ending bad:P

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#196 Master_ShakeXXX
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This game is f*cked. Everybody can forget about it now. Go buy DMC3 instead.

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#197 Sagem28
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[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

How bad an ending are we talking here ?
Mass Effect 3 levels of bad ?

Can somebody tell me in a spoiler ?

finalfantasy94

I refuse to believe anything is on the level of ME3 ending bad:P

We can only hope it won't be that horrible :P

@Chubby.

Link doesn't work :?

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#198 rjdofu
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Sagem28"]

I refuse to believe anything is on the level of ME3 ending bad:P

Sagem28

We can only hope it won't be that horrible :P

@Chubby.

Link doesn't work :?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xC8crDKZiwY

Here's the final boss fight & the ending folks. And holy sh!t it was bad!.

Apparently:

[spoiler]

- You can spam 1 basic move over and over to hit the boss.

- All Vergil's attacks are very slow & easy to dodge.

- Cutscenes every 5 seconds.

- Teh "Shakespearean dialogue"

- The cliche begging for forgiveness.

- The stupid "You are Dante" line that NT has been feeding us since the beginning 2 years ago.

- The so "What the fvck happens next?" ending (which is possibly one reason for the Vorgel downfall DLC). Fvck you Capcom, I can see you dirty tactics already.

[/spoiler]

Honestly, It'd be more fun with the dinosaur ending.

rjdofu

Sr I'm too lazy.

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#200 Sagem28
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Thanks guy's.

I...I don't really know what to think of that :|